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Keynote II
Secrets, National Security and the Press: Does WikiLeaks Change Anything?
Keynote II: Secrets, National Security and the Press: Does WikiLeaks Change Anything?
(12/16/2010)
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1:15
Jonathan Seitz:
Welcome back to the Nieman Foundation's Secrecy and Journalism conference
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:15
Jonathan Seitz
1:16
BBCPhilippaT:
we are back with
#niemanleaks
and the keynote speech from NY Times exec ed Bill Keller on
#wikileaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:16
BBCPhilippaT
1:16
Jonathan Seitz:
The main event of the day, the keynote by New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller, will be beginning shortly
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:16
Jonathan Seitz
1:16
jonathanstray:
Bill Keller, executive editor of the New York Times, about to speak on Wikileaks. Live video
http://bit.ly/hHkTgD
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:16
jonathanstray
1:16
Jonathan Seitz:
As always, you can follow the live video here:
http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/Microsites/SecrecyAndJournalismInTheNewMediaAge/MultimediaCoverage.aspx
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:16
Jonathan Seitz
1:17
riparian:
The room
#niemanleaks
overflows in anticipation of NYT exec ed Bill Keller's talk.
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:17
riparian
1:17
OnPointRadio:
RT
@NiemanLab
: Now at
#Niemanleaks
NYT exc. ed. Bill Keller's talk "Does WikiLeaks change anything?" Live video
http://nie.mn/ejgh4P
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:17
OnPointRadio
1:18
DavidLeBoeuf:
Bill Keller, ED of
@nytimes
will discuss his paper's decisions and risks when publishing WikiLeaks
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:18
DavidLeBoeuf
1:19
Jonathan Seitz:
"It's important to take the long view on questions like this."
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:19
Jonathan Seitz
1:19
Jonathan Seitz:
Talk today will be an update on speech at U. Michigan four years ago.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:19
Jonathan Seitz
1:20
Jonathan Seitz:
Favorite piece of reader feedback, a postcard from a nun after column comparing Vatican to Kremlin.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:20
Jonathan Seitz
1:20
Jonathan Seitz:
Keeps card to keep him humble
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:20
Jonathan Seitz
1:20
Jonathan Seitz:
Many, many critics. Readers, bloggers, public editor, etc.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:20
Jonathan Seitz
1:21
Jonathan Seitz:
Among that critical chorus, no subject has produced a higher pitch than our decisions about secret information"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:21
Jonathan Seitz
1:21
Jonathan Seitz:
Two articles in particular: Warrantless wiretapping, and treasury program to screen financial records
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:21
Jonathan Seitz
1:21
tampa_do_gooder:
wonders how i can be a blogosphere vigilante
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:21
tampa_do_gooder
1:22
Jonathan Seitz:
Both designed to catch terrorists, both were secret, and both led govt to ask them not to publish
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:22
Jonathan Seitz
1:22
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT Bill Keller talking on facing his legion of critics: the loudest outcry always follows the publication of secret documents.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:22
BBCPhilippaT
1:22
Jonathan Seitz:
President told Times that if they published wiretapping story, they would be to blame for next terrorist attack.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:22
Jonathan Seitz
1:23
CJR:
RT
@NiemanLab
: Now at
#Niemanleaks
NYT exc. ed. Bill Keller's talk "Does WikiLeaks change anything?" Live video
http://nie.mn/ejgh4P
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:23
CJR
1:23
kellykwlam:
Bill Keller of
@nytimes
discusses White House reaction to publication about eavesdropping
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:23
kellykwlam
1:24
Jonathan Seitz:
Whit house reaction "fierce." FBI went searching for source of leak. Some claimed that the NYT should be charged on espionage act
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:24
Jonathan Seitz
1:24
Rabail26:
RT
@fispahani:
Pak Observer has quoted me in a story 4 which i was never contacted & nor did i comment on the topic.
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:24
Rabail26
1:24
jonathanstray:
Keller: "nothing ever draws criticism like our decisions to publish secret information about wars in progress."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:24
jonathanstray
1:24
BBCPhilippaT:
Bill Keller of
#NewYorkTimes
waxing lyrical and comical about his many critics. Think it stings?
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:24
BBCPhilippaT
1:24
Jonathan Seitz:
"Reaction may have been hysterical, but much of it was heartfelt"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:24
Jonathan Seitz
1:24
marc_cart:
@gregoryfoster
many thanks. wot little dignity i have i will safeguard... will follow
#niemanLeaks
through their live blog for now!
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:24
marc_cart
1:25
DavidLeBoeuf:
Keller jokes WikiLeaks sounds like brand of adult diaper.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:25
DavidLeBoeuf
1:25
riparian:
Keller says after publishing
#wikileaks
, someone posted his address. "You can imagine how that went over with my co-op board."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:25
riparian
1:26
Jonathan Seitz:
Three rounds of stories based on WikiLeaks. Adminsitration was "sober, professional, and grown-up" compared with reactions from Bush admin.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:26
Jonathan Seitz
1:26
Jonathan Seitz:
Although docs were embarassing, State Department did help them go through them
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:26
Jonathan Seitz
1:26
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller: WikiLeaks first sounded to me like a brand of adult diaper
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/eYfAcp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:26
NiemanReports
1:26
jonathanstray:
Keller: with our publication of WL docs, the administration reaction was different, mostly sober and grown-up and responsible.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:26
jonathanstray
1:26
carinanovarese:
RT
@NiemanReports
: NYT's Bill Keller: WikiLeaks first sounded to me like a brand of adult diaper
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/eYfAcp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:26
carinanovarese
1:27
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller largely impressed by exec reax to
#wikileaks
. "Mostly sober and grownup and professional... They (cont)
http://tl.gd/7hg7s6
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:27
BBCPhilippaT
1:27
Jonathan Seitz:
First point: Puzzled with idea that content of docs didn't add anythign to the understanding. The news grows inch by inch, with small revelations
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:27
Jonathan Seitz
1:27
DavidLeBoeuf:
Keller said State Dept engaged with
@nytimes
over WikiLeaks but were still tensions. Notes most cables aren't anything new
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:27
DavidLeBoeuf
1:27
Ayonadre:
RT
@NiemanLab
: Now at
#Niemanleaks
NYT exc. ed. Bill Keller's talk "Does WikiLeaks change anything?" Live video
http://nie.mn/ejgh4P
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:27
Ayonadre
1:27
Jonathan Seitz:
The stories are an opportunity to learn more, and in a colorful way.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:27
Jonathan Seitz
1:28
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller: news advances by inches and feet & so it is w/ Wikileaks
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/eYfAcp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:28
NiemanReports
1:28
Jonathan Seitz:
If you get this load of cables, and nothing makes you gasp, that means journalists are doing their jobs.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:28
Jonathan Seitz
1:28
kellykwlam:
Keller believes value of WikiLeaks documents lies in providing texture and drama to those interested in foreign affairs.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:28
kellykwlam
1:28
jonathanstray:
Keller, responding to criticism that cables do not show anything groundbreaking: most news does not change the world.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:28
jonathanstray
1:28
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller :#wikileaks docs provide texture and nuance and drama. If they make you think harder, we've performed a public service.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:28
BBCPhilippaT
1:28
kellykwlam:
"We have performed a public service", he says.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:28
kellykwlam
1:29
jonathanstray:
RT
@NiemanReports
: NYT's Bill Keller: news advances by inches and feet & so it is w/ Wikileaks
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/eYfAcp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:29
jonathanstray
1:29
Jonathan Seitz:
Second Point: Skeptical that publication of cables will lead countries to avoid dealing with the US
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:29
Jonathan Seitz
1:29
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT's Bill Keller bottom line on
#wikileaks
. "I believe that we have behaved responsibly."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:29
BBCPhilippaT
1:30
Jonathan Seitz:
Third point: The NYT are treating ASsange/Wikileaks as a source, and "Sources are rarely pure or simple"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:30
Jonathan Seitz
1:30
Contextmatturs:
RT
@NiemanLab
: Now at
#Niemanleaks
NYT exc. ed. Bill Keller's talk "Does WikiLeaks change anything?" Live video
http://nie.mn/ejgh4P
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:30
Contextmatturs
1:30
kellykwlam:
Sources are rarely pure or simple, Keller says.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:30
kellykwlam
1:30
Jonathan Seitz:
The Guardian was blasted for not posting entire contents of documents.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:30
Jonathan Seitz
1:31
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller of NYT: We regard Assange and his merry band of hackers and provocateurs as "a source". We dont "applaud their agenda".
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:31
BBCPhilippaT
1:31
kellykwlam:
Keller comments on the readers of center-left paper The Guardian, who were indignant that
@nytimes
censored WikiLeaks
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:31
kellykwlam
1:31
Jonathan Seitz:
Decision to publish classified information are certainly not driven by indifference to the safety of the coutnry
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:31
Jonathan Seitz
1:31
DavidLeBoeuf:
Keller echoes earlier points regarding motivations of source & how not to let them completely take over the story's objectivity
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:31
DavidLeBoeuf
1:31
cophotog:
RT
@NiemanReports
: NYT's Bill Keller: news advances by inches and feet & so it is w/ Wikileaks
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/eYfAcp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:31
cophotog
1:32
Jonathan Seitz:
NYT works in a city that is often a terrorist target, and has many reporters working all around the world
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:32
Jonathan Seitz
1:32
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT's Keller: Journalists at the Times have a large and public stake in the nation's security. We are not indifferent to it.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:32
BBCPhilippaT
1:32
Jonathan Seitz:
WE take extraordinary precautions to keep them safe, but 2 reporters killed, four kidnapped, and photog lost legs.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:32
Jonathan Seitz
1:32
kellykwlam:
We live and work in a city that has been marked for terrorism, Keller says, referring to the constant threats journalists face.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:32
kellykwlam
1:33
kellykwlam:
The freedom of press makes some Americans uneasy, Keller says.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:33
kellykwlam
1:33
Jonathan Seitz:
"Freedom of the press is anathema to the ideology of terror"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:33
Jonathan Seitz
1:33
riparian:
keller:We cannot become propagandists even for a system we seek to protect.
#Niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:33
riparian
1:33
Jonathan Seitz:
Correx "while freedom of the press makes some uneasy, it is anathema to the ideology of teror"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:33
Jonathan Seitz
1:33
jonathanstray:
Keller is now talking about NYT journalists kidnapped, maimed, killed in war coverage. We are not with extremists, he says.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:33
jonathanstray
1:34
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT's Keller : and as American reporters "we cannot let our sympathies transform us into propagandists."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:34
BBCPhilippaT
1:34
DavidLeBoeuf:
Freedom of the press is a value that directly opposes the aims of terrorism, says Keller. Open media shows our values winning
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:34
DavidLeBoeuf
1:34
jonathanstray:
RT
@BBCPhilippaT
: NYT's Keller : and as American reporters "we cannot let our sympathies transform us into propagandists."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:34
jonathanstray
1:34
Rabail26:
Keller of NYT compares readership of NYT & Guardian. Guardian's 'post all docs now' whereas NYT's 'who asked you to be God'
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:34
Rabail26
1:35
Jonathan Seitz:
Pentagon Papers: debate produced a rich literature on the subject of government secrets
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:35
Jonathan Seitz
1:35
jonathanstray:
RT
@riparian:
keller:We cannot become propagandists even for a system we seek to protect.
#Niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:35
jonathanstray
1:36
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller: Pentagon Papers debate produced rich lit. on secrets, esp affadavit by Max Frankel
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/eYfAcp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:36
NiemanReports
1:36
BBCPhilippaT:
RT
@Rabail26
: Keller of NYT compares readership of NYT & Guardian. Guardian's 'post all docs now' whereas NYT's 'who asked you to be God ...
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:36
BBCPhilippaT
1:36
lalorek:
"If a war is being waged in America's name, shouldn't Americans understand how it is being waged," says Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:36
lalorek
1:37
DavidLeBoeuf:
RT
@BBCPhilippaT
NYT's Keller : and as American reporters "we cannot let our sympathies transform us into propagandists."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:37
DavidLeBoeuf
1:37
Jonathan Seitz:
Bob Woodward's accounts of government: evidence that government is not comepletely against the release of secrets.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:37
Jonathan Seitz
1:37
tampa_do_gooder:
Keller: gov't wants press to protect their secrets and trump their successes. nothing new
#niemanleaks
(duh! like most humans!)
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:37
tampa_do_gooder
1:37
Jonathan Seitz:
Max Frankel wrote in Guardian that 3 million had access to diplomatic cables.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:37
Jonathan Seitz
1:37
jonathanstray:
Keller on govts selective leaking: One man's security breach is another man's PR campaign. And sometimes they're the same man.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:37
jonathanstray
1:38
thejoedee:
Watching Bill Keller's keynote at
#NiemanLeaks
. Very rational examples of secrets NYT's has published, and why.
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:38
thejoedee
1:38
openmediaboston:
@Rabail26
Keller of NYT compares readership of NYT & Guardian. Guardian's 'post all docs now' - NYT's 'who asked you to be God'
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:38
openmediaboston
1:38
Jonathan Seitz:
How do we reconscile obligation to inform with the responsibility to protect?
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:38
Jonathan Seitz
1:38
kellykwlam:
RT
@Rabail26
: Keller of NYT compares readership of NYT & Guardian. Guardian's 'post all docs now' whereas NYT's 'who asked you to be God ...
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:38
kellykwlam
1:38
Jonathan Seitz:
war reporters keep troop movements out
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:38
Jonathan Seitz
1:38
DavidLeBoeuf:
Keller notes that common sense shows that secrets will get out if thousands of clear individuals come in contact with them
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:38
DavidLeBoeuf
1:39
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller citing Max Frankel on WikiLeaks: secrets shared with millions are not secrets
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
NiemanReports
1:39
Jonathan Seitz:
in wikileaks, kept out names/info that could have hurt those mentioned
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
Jonathan Seitz
1:39
lalorek:
Three million people had access to the "secret" documents that got sent to Wikileaks, says Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
lalorek
1:39
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT Exec Ed Bill Keller says excised the names of informants, human rights activists in
#wikileaks
whom publication wd endanger
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
BBCPhilippaT
1:39
Jonathan Seitz:
"When we exercise restraint, few people are aware"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
Jonathan Seitz
1:39
gregoryfoster:
A 199 interview w/ Max Frankel by Charlie Rose:
http://bit.ly/hlV0OU
#NiemanLeaks
#WikiLeaks
#Cablegate
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
gregoryfoster
1:39
riparian:
keller: "there is no magic formula" for knowing when to publish and not to publish.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:39
riparian
1:40
Jonathan Seitz:
Most discussed ex. of restraint, not revealing NSA eavesdropping when they first heard.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:40
Jonathan Seitz
1:40
Jonathan Seitz:
Critics of Bush criticized NYT for not publishing before 2004 election
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:40
Jonathan Seitz
1:40
jonathanstray:
Keller: when we make the decision to publish everyone knows. When we exercise restraint, it's invisible.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:40
jonathanstray
1:40
tampa_do_gooder:
RT
@riparian
: keller: "there is no magic formula" for knowing when to publish and not to publish.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:40
tampa_do_gooder
1:40
kellykwlam:
Keller says not publishing NSA eavesdropping program when he first learnt of it may have had impact on Bush's re-election
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:40
kellykwlam
1:41
Jonathan Seitz:
Responsibility to publish is not one that we can relinquish to the government.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:41
Jonathan Seitz
1:41
tampa_do_gooder:
Keller: how do we reconcile obligation 2 inform with obligation to protect? w/h or postpone articles = risk outweighed benefits
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:41
tampa_do_gooder
1:41
tylersorrells:
RT
@lalorek
: Three million people had access to the "secret" documents that got sent to Wikileaks, says Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:41
tylersorrells
1:41
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT Keller. Honourable people may disagree with our publication choices. But it is not a duty we can surrender to the govt.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:41
BBCPhilippaT
1:41
DavidLeBoeuf:
Public value must outweigh the danger of putting lives at risk, Keller points out, naming many times paper withheld articles
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:41
DavidLeBoeuf
1:42
Jonathan Seitz:
Three directions: 1.) newsroom, 2.) the law 3) the government
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
Jonathan Seitz
1:42
jonathanstray:
@kellykwlam
no, I believe he said he doubts that.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
jonathanstray
1:42
idesdebruyne:
RT
@NiemanLab
: Now at
#Niemanleaks
NYT exc. ed. Bill Keller's talk "Does WikiLeaks change anything?" Live video
http://nie.mn/ejgh4P
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
idesdebruyne
1:42
tampa_do_gooder:
Keller: inventors of this country embraced an unruly press...was as unruly as it is now (Me: i wish!)
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
tampa_do_gooder
1:42
kellykwlam:
Catholic upbringing makes Keller reason in regard to three things 1)newsroom 2)law 3)government
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
kellykwlam
1:42
riparian:
keller: "One of the hangovers of my catholic upbringing is I tend to divide problems into three…"
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
riparian
1:42
Jonathan Seitz:
"we need to be judicious in our use of anonymous sources"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
Jonathan Seitz
1:42
BBCPhilippaT:
Bill Keller of NYT says we must do away with "deferential mouthpiece journalism". Cd learn from us unruly Brits?
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:42
BBCPhilippaT
1:43
Jonathan Seitz:
Can;t get rid of them all together ("High-minded foolishnes"), but need to be careful
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:43
Jonathan Seitz
1:43
riparian:
Keller: "High-minded foolishness" to say we cannot offer protection to sources.
#Niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:43
riparian
1:43
Jonathan Seitz:
reliance feeds suspicion that reporters make things up
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:43
Jonathan Seitz
1:44
NiemanReports:
NYT Bill Keller: Now what? We can be more judicious in use of anon sources; it might improve press cred
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:44
NiemanReports
1:44
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller of NYT advocates "A more selective and clearheaded use of anonymous sources." .#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:44
BBCPhilippaT
1:44
Jonathan Seitz:
Re: The Law, some say that Espionage Act should be amended to apply to news orgs. But it's always been hard to apply, especially against media.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:44
Jonathan Seitz
1:44
Jonathan Seitz:
Main threat is not espionage act, but subpoena
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:44
Jonathan Seitz
1:44
DavidLeBoeuf:
Keller highlights anonymous sources are a necessity in journalism, despite debate over their value and frequency of usage
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:44
DavidLeBoeuf
1:44
PhilipNelson:
RT
@lalorek
: Three million people had access to the "secret" documents that got sent to Wikileaks, says Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:44
PhilipNelson
1:45
Jonathan Seitz:
Since 2000, fed and state courts have issued 100s of subpoenas each year trying to make journalists reveal sources
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:45
Jonathan Seitz
1:45
Jonathan Seitz:
Re: Shield Law, not likely anytime soon, and would probably big loophole for national security
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:45
Jonathan Seitz
1:46
BBCPhilippaT:
Bill Keller NYT on the use of the subpoena. Federal & state courts issue 100s each year asking for
sources.We
need a shield law
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:46
BBCPhilippaT
1:46
Harvard:
NYT's Bill Keller talking live re: WikiLeaks, press & secrecy
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:46
Harvard
1:47
KentBottles:
RT
@Harvard
: NYT's Bill Keller talking live re: WikiLeaks, press & secrecy
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:47
KentBottles
1:47
kellykwlam:
The government is restrained in many ways in protecting its secrets
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:47
kellykwlam
1:47
thejoedee:
"When the government loses a secret or two, it simply adjusts to it's new reality" ~ Bill Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:47
thejoedee
1:47
DavidLeBoeuf:
Shield law unlikely in US, and even if comes about most likely will have a national security clause, says Keller
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:47
DavidLeBoeuf
1:47
BBCPhilippaT:
RT@riparian: keller: Federal shield law does not seem imminent. If it is passed it is likely to have enormous (cont)
http://tl.gd/7hgee3
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:47
BBCPhilippaT
1:48
Jonathan Seitz:
"the notion of an establishment press is ... under seige." Major news sources are no longer common source of news
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:48
Jonathan Seitz
1:48
thejoedee:
"When the government loses a secret or two, it simply adjusts to its new reality" ~ Bill Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:48
thejoedee
1:49
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT Keller "the notion of an establishment press is at least under siege".. the internet has brought "a quicker metabolism" ..
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:49
BBCPhilippaT
1:49
Jonathan Seitz:
democratization of mediah has brought heavy change, but with it blurring of defintion of who is a journalist.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:49
Jonathan Seitz
1:49
kellykwlam:
Mainstream media like NYT, Washington Post & Associated Press no longer primary sources of news for the public
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:49
kellykwlam
1:49
Jonathan Seitz:
Daniel Ellsburg needed the NYT, WIkiLeaks does not
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:49
Jonathan Seitz
1:49
kev097:
#NiemanLeaks
Real Player? Srsly, Real Player? What decade is this?
http://bit.ly/grDcrb
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:49
kev097
1:50
riparian:
keller says there should be an expansive definition of what is a journalist.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
riparian
1:50
Jonathan Seitz:
"contrary to pop myth, sensitive secrets do not generally fall into our hands"
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
Jonathan Seitz
1:50
BBCPhilippaT:
Some humility from NYT's Bill Keller. "Daniel Ellsberg needed the NYT.
#wikileaks
does not."#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
BBCPhilippaT
1:50
Jonathan Seitz:
many sources are scared, only know part of story.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
Jonathan Seitz
1:50
kellykwlam:
Contrary to popular belief, sensitive secrets do not often fall into our hands, Keller says
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
kellykwlam
1:50
Jonathan Seitz:
reporting secret information with confidence usually entails multiples sources and supporting documents
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
Jonathan Seitz
1:50
FrontlineINVSTG:
Max Frankel's Timely Deposition on Secrets, Sources & Spin---from 1971.
http://ow.ly/3qnw1
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
FrontlineINVSTG
1:50
DavidLeBoeuf:
Looking for more coverage of the Secrecy and Journalism Conference from
@thecrimson
? Also Checkout tweets from
@kellykwlam
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:50
DavidLeBoeuf
1:51
openmediaboston:
RT
@lalorek
: "The notion of an establishment press is at least under siege," says NYTimes Bill Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:51
openmediaboston
1:51
Jonathan Seitz:
re: NSA eavesdropping, in year spent working on it after initial find, no one else had the story. It was that hard to find
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:51
Jonathan Seitz
1:51
lalorek:
Pentagon Paper's Daniel Ellsberg needed the NYTimes, Wikileaks does not, says Keller talking about how times have changed.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:51
lalorek
1:51
kellykwlam:
WikiLeaks claims it has now embarked on new era of transparency reinforced by hackers, but Keller disagrees
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:51
kellykwlam
1:51
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller cites Max Frankel's affadavit, available here:
http://bit.ly/folOdi
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:51
NiemanReports
1:51
gregoryfoster:
Thanks! MT
@FrontlineINVSTG
: Max Frankel's Timely Deposition on Secrets, Sources & Spin (1971):
http://ow.ly/3qnw1
#niemanleaks
#wikileaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:51
gregoryfoster
1:52
DavidLeBoeuf:
WikiLeaks is not the revolutionary force it beleives it is, says
@nytimes
Keller
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:52
DavidLeBoeuf
1:52
Jonathan Seitz:
what are the consequences if our govt seeks to curtail the flow of information?
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:52
Jonathan Seitz
1:52
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller "I dont see that the doors to America's secrets or the world's secrets have been blown wide open".This is not "anarchy".
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:52
BBCPhilippaT
1:52
kellykwlam:
Keller: "What are the consequences for our national security if our government seeks to curtail the flow of information?"
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:52
kellykwlam
1:52
jonathanstray:
Again Keller says this administration has reacted more "calmly and responsibly" than the Bush administration.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:52
jonathanstray
1:52
kellykwlam:
RT
@thejoedee
: "Daniel Ellsberg needed the New York Times. Wikileaks, does not." ~ Bill Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:52
kellykwlam
1:53
Jonathan Seitz:
Bush Admin treated Foia with contempt, removed docs, subsidized propaganda, perfected spin. Iraq War is an example
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:53
Jonathan Seitz
1:53
kellykwlam:
RT
@riparian
: keller says there should be an expansive definition of what is a journalist.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:53
kellykwlam
1:53
Jonathan Seitz:
When secrets did come out, Bush Admin went to the FBI
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:53
Jonathan Seitz
1:53
DavidLeBoeuf:
Great points by Keller on Bush administration's damage to freedom of the press and "subsidized propaganda, at home and abroad"
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:53
DavidLeBoeuf
1:53
lalorek:
Most of the secrets people know about government is thanks to news orgs that still take their roles seriously, says Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:53
lalorek
1:53
AP_CorpComm:
Top
@AP
editor at Harvard's
#NiemanLeaks
conference: Amid global gov't secrecy, mainstream media play key role:
http://bit.ly/fG9CKp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:53
AP_CorpComm
1:54
Jonathan Seitz:
Further, Bush admin considered a UK-style secrets act
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:54
Jonathan Seitz
1:54
Jonathan Seitz:
Car: Leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:54
Jonathan Seitz
1:54
DavidLeBoeuf:
"Leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy anyways"
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:54
DavidLeBoeuf
1:54
DavidLeBoeuf:
"Leaks tend to effect ships that aren't seaworthy anyways"
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:54
DavidLeBoeuf
1:55
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT Keller on Bush admin secrecy. Quotes reporter David Carr "Leaks tend to affect ships that werent seaworthy to begin with."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:55
BBCPhilippaT
1:55
jonathanstray:
Keller quoting Carr: "leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:55
jonathanstray
1:55
gregoryfoster:
"Leaks tend to effect ships that were not seaworthy to begin with." -- NYT's Keller citing ? at
#NiemanLeaks
#WikiLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:55
gregoryfoster
1:56
Jonathan Seitz:
This coverage is not just something to defend as constitutional right, it's something to be celebrated.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
Jonathan Seitz
1:56
thejoedee:
"Leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with." ~ David Carr (quoted by Bill Keller at
#NiemanLeaks
)
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
thejoedee
1:56
SCLBoston:
RT
@riparian:
keller: Federal shield law does not seem imminent. If it is passed it is likely to have enormous national security loophole.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
SCLBoston
1:56
kellykwlam:
Bush's failure to build durable underpinnings to fight terrorism put the country in a "permanent state of emergency",
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
kellykwlam
1:56
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT's Bill Keller says
#wikileaks
coverage "is something to be celebrated" as a cause of national good.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
BBCPhilippaT
1:56
Jonathan Seitz:
It is just possible, that by forcing these qustions onto the agenda the press has fostered national consensus.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
Jonathan Seitz
1:56
gregoryfoster:
RT
@thejoedee
: "Leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with." ~ David Carr (quoted by Bill Keller at
#NiemanLeaks
)
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:56
gregoryfoster
1:57
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller is finished, and we will now be taking questions
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:57
Jonathan Seitz
1:57
kellykwlam:
Keller now opens to questions
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:57
kellykwlam
1:57
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller ends :Lets not be so busy obsessing about our business models that we forget to spk out about what our business is for.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:57
BBCPhilippaT
1:57
Jonathan Seitz:
priority will go to those in the room, but we can try to get some outside Qs in
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:57
Jonathan Seitz
1:57
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: inside eye on vetting process?
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:57
Jonathan Seitz
1:57
kellykwlam:
Mable Chan, visitng scholar at Fairbank Center, asks about process at the NYT concerning WikiLeak documents
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:57
kellykwlam
1:58
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: docs came in two bunchs,1.) the war logs from Wikileaks, and the 2.) the embassy cables from the Guardian
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
Jonathan Seitz
1:58
DavidLeBoeuf:
Keller says
@nytimes
got Iraq and Afghanistan logs directly from WikiLeakscand cables from the Guardian
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
DavidLeBoeuf
1:58
Jonathan Seitz:
docs were put in searchable database.
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
Jonathan Seitz
1:58
kellykwlam:
1/4 million documents - no news organization claims to have read all of those documents
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
kellykwlam
1:58
Jonathan Seitz:
"No news organization claims to have read all of those documents."
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
Jonathan Seitz
1:58
DavidLeBoeuf:
WikiLeaks was upset at
@nytimes
according to Keller
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
DavidLeBoeuf
1:58
thejoedee:
Someone in the room please ask Keller if they plan to continue to use Wikileaks as a source in the future.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:58
thejoedee
1:59
FrontlineINVSTG:
RT
@jonathanstray
: Keller quotes David Carr: "leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:59
FrontlineINVSTG
1:59
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller No news orgs claim to have read all the cables; search terms were used to review docs
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:59
NiemanReports
1:59
jonathanstray:
Keller on reporting WL docs: put them in a DB, started with search for countries, leaders, phrases, terms chosen by reporters
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:59
jonathanstray
1:59
kellykwlam:
"From the outset, it was quite clear that these were the real thing"
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
1:59
kellykwlam
2:00
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: material was taken to government agencies to get responses and allow them to raise objections.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:00
Jonathan Seitz
2:00
CJR:
our @clinthendler's at
#NiemanLeaks
— will be RTing his observations throughout the day
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:00
CJR
2:00
VivaLabonbon:
RT
@thejoedee
: "Leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with." ~ David Carr (quoted by Bill Keller at
#NiemanLeaks
)
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:00
VivaLabonbon
2:00
VivaLabonbon:
RT
@BBCPhilippaT
: NYT's Bill Keller says
#wikileaks
coverage "is something to be celebrated" as a cause of national good.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:00
VivaLabonbon
2:00
Jonathan Seitz:
"often, they wanted us to omit things that were just embarassing"
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:00
Jonathan Seitz
2:01
kellykwlam:
"We have done a fair amount of redacting"
@NYT
, Keller says
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:01
kellykwlam
2:01
VivaLabonbon:
RT
@openmediaboston
: RT
@lalorek
: "The notion of an establishment press is at least under siege," says NYTimes Bill Keller
#NiemanLeaks
...
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:01
VivaLabonbon
2:01
Jonathan Seitz:
Times redacted info on their own - e.g. ifthere was a village elder who spoke to military, printing his name could get him killed.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:01
Jonathan Seitz
2:01
VivaLabonbon:
RT
@kellykwlam
: WikiLeaks claims it has now embarked on new era of transparency reinforced by hackers, but Keller disagrees
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:01
VivaLabonbon
2:01
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: What's the schedule for publishing the rest of the cables?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:01
Jonathan Seitz
2:02
jonathanstray:
Keller: often govt wanted us to omit things that are embarrassing. I'm sorry, but no.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:02
jonathanstray
2:02
Duncalator:
RT
@FrontlineINVSTG
: RT
@jonathanstray
: Keller quoting Carr: "leaks tend to affect ships that aren't seaworthy to begin with."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:02
Duncalator
2:02
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: We don't have a schedule anymore. -- First two data dumps, wikileaks posted after we looked at them. Essentially gave us access with embargo
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:02
Jonathan Seitz
2:03
Jonathan Seitz:
Embassy cables more complicated: Broader subject, greater volume.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:03
Jonathan Seitz
2:03
NiemanReports:
? for NYT's Bill Keller: What about pub other 99% of cables? No pub sked anymore.
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:03
NiemanReports
2:03
kellykwlam:
Held back a portion of Afgan documents, made names on Iraq documents virtually unreadable, but embassy cables more complicated
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:03
kellykwlam
2:03
leilaibi:
RT
@Harvard
: NYT's Bill Keller talking live re: WikiLeaks, press & secrecy
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:03
leilaibi
2:04
Jonathan Seitz:
NYT had to break them down by country on when to publish what.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:04
Jonathan Seitz
2:04
jonathanstray:
Keller on cables publishing: news orgs and WL agreed on a schedule for when cables about specific countries could be published.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:04
jonathanstray
2:04
Jonathan Seitz:
Agreed to give Wikileaks the documents they were going to write about, with NYT redactions
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:04
Jonathan Seitz
2:04
lalorek:
Anyone interested in the process of how the Wikileaks documents got published should tune into Bill Keller
#NiemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/fG9CKp
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:04
lalorek
2:04
kellykwlam:
We have basically done the main stories we want to do
@nytimes
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:04
kellykwlam
2:05
Harvard:
Keller asks “What are the consequences of our national security if the government tries to curtail important information?”
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
Harvard
2:05
jonathanstray:
Keller: we also agreed to give our redactions to WikiLeaks.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
jonathanstray
2:05
riparian:
Keller: We’ve done the main stories we set out to do.
#wikileaks
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
riparian
2:05
Jonathan Seitz:
"I expect we'll post future documents as we think of new stories to do." We have three or four stories in the works. "We don't intend to publish the whole batch"
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
Jonathan Seitz
2:05
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT Bill Keller says they would give
#wikileaks
the stories they intended to run & recommend redacting the cables accordingly
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
BBCPhilippaT
2:05
kellykwlam:
Keller doesn't know if WikiLeaks intends to post all documents, but says
@nytimes
does not
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
kellykwlam
2:05
NiemanReports:
NYT's Bill Keller: We've done the main stories we set out to do. 3-4 stories in the works.
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:05
NiemanReports
2:06
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: Are you planning to work with WikiLeaks in the Future? Why was NYT cut off after war logs?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:06
Jonathan Seitz
2:06
AlejoManrique:
[Lecture]
#Wikileaks
#niemanLeaks
"Most of the documents were not important," NTY's Bill Keller
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:06
AlejoManrique
2:06
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller says NYT doesn't intend to publish all
#wikileaks
cables. "Most of them read like laundry lists".
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:06
BBCPhilippaT
2:07
lheron:
Seconded. RT
@kev097
:
#NiemanLeaks
Real Player? Srsly, Real Player? What decade is this?
http://bit.ly/grDcrb
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
lheron
2:07
jonathanstray:
Keller: we do not intend to release the full cache of cables. We have no idea what Wikileaks is planning.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
jonathanstray
2:07
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: Assange has complained about specific practices: 1.) fact that they didn't link to wikileaks ("We weren't going to link to db that included names on innocent afghans") 2.) upset about stories about Bradley Manning, 3.) particulary disliked profile NYT wrote of Assange
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
Jonathan Seitz
2:07
NiemanLab:
From
#Niemanleaks
, video of AP's Kathleen Carroll talking about technology making secrets easy to hide and uncover
http://nie.mn/gvrli7
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
NiemanLab
2:07
Rabail26:
Bill Keller of NYT:
#Assange
has never explained to me explicitly why he decided to cut NYT off after providing initial data.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
Rabail26
2:07
kellykwlam:
Would you work with WikiLeaks in the future?
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
kellykwlam
2:07
BBCPhilippaT:
Why did
#wikileaks
drop the NYT access? Keller says he refused to link to their data base, which cd reveal innocent Afghans.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:07
BBCPhilippaT
2:08
kellykwlam:
Keller respons: WikiLeaks is a source, not a partner
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:08
kellykwlam
2:08
acavelier:
NYtimes does not plan to publish all the wikileaks cables: Keller
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:08
acavelier
2:08
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: re: future: What I've said from the beginning is that WL was a source. The Guardian was a partner--back and forth-- no give and take with wikileaks. Don't know if they;ll offer us again, but we'd take it on the same terms.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:08
Jonathan Seitz
2:08
AlejoManrique:
[Lecture]
#Wikileaks
is a source for the NYT, not a partner
#niemanLeaks
#cablegate
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:08
AlejoManrique
2:08
lalorek:
WikiLeaks was a source, it was not a partner, says Keller
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:08
lalorek
2:09
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: did you know what conditions were on the Guardian? Why was that acceptable?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:09
Jonathan Seitz
2:09
NiemanReports:
NYT's Keller: Assange cut NYT off after 1st 2 rounds, didn't like front-page NYT profile of him, & more
#niemanLeaks
http://bit.ly/f69SSG
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:09
NiemanReports
2:09
jonathanstray:
Keller: "Wikileaks is a source. They were not a partner." [Wikileaks frequently refers to media "partners"]
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:09
jonathanstray
2:09
Rabail26:
Bill Keller NYT exec ed:
#Assange
was not happy about a story NYT had done on Bradley Manning.
#NiemanLeaks
#Wikileaks
#cablegate
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:09
Rabail26
2:10
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: reported that week or so before publication, WL approached WSJ, CNN, and AP. reported Conditions included embargo, and signing a documents that would give WLL right to take them to court in country of its choosing.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:10
Jonathan Seitz
2:10
Jonathan Seitz:
Worth noting: Keller did not receive those conditions, that's only what he heard about other publications
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:10
Jonathan Seitz
2:11
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: How does decision making change if the subject is a corporation?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:11
Jonathan Seitz
2:11
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: Omitted the fact that we had lawyers, "very good lawyers, who see it as their responsibility to get things in the paper, not keep things outs", helping all along the way
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:11
Jonathan Seitz
2:11
acavelier:
The Times did not pay for the documents or signed an agreement with wikileaks: Keller
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:11
acavelier
2:12
kellykwlam:
British law is tighter compared to US law concerning secrecy
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:12
kellykwlam
2:12
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: I don't know that the legal situation would be different with a private entity
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:12
Jonathan Seitz
2:12
jonathanstray:
Keller: we did a lot of consulting with lawyers to ascertain that what we were doing was legal.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:12
jonathanstray
2:12
BBCPhilippaT:
NYT's Keller says
#wikileaks
wanted other media organisations to sign a doc, giving it the right to take them to (cont)
http://tl.gd/7hglns
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:12
BBCPhilippaT
2:12
DavidLeBoeuf:
Interesting to see how journalism on advent of technology has a legal component on a cross-border/international level
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:12
DavidLeBoeuf
2:13
BBCPhilippaT:
RT@NiemanReports: NYT's Bill Keller: We've done the main stories we set out to do. 3-4 stories in the works.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:13
BBCPhilippaT
2:13
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: In the case of a major american bank, and in th case of docs that told us something about what was goin on inside, I'd be very interested in that. And the public would be too.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:13
Jonathan Seitz
2:13
Rabail26:
RT
@clinthendler
: Keller "Julian Assange has never explained to me explicitly about why he decided to cut us off ofter the first two rounds"
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:13
Rabail26
2:14
AlejoManrique:
[Lecture]
#Wikileaks
"We publish a number of stories based on secret information," NYT's Bill Keller
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:14
AlejoManrique
2:14
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: Would you be troubled by espionage act prosecution against Assange? How would you compare the two orgs?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:14
Jonathan Seitz
2:14
kellykwlam:
Keller: "I don't regard Assange as a kindred spirit - if he is a journalist, he is not the kind of journalist that I am"
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:14
kellykwlam
2:14
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: I don't consider Assange a kindred spirit. If he's a journalists, he's not the kind of journalist I am.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:14
Jonathan Seitz
2:15
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller of NYT asked would he be troubled by an espionage prosecution of Assange? "I don't regard him as a kindred spirit."
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:15
BBCPhilippaT
2:15
riparian:
keller: is
#wikileaks
journalism? assange not a kindred spirit of mine. but org has moved towards journalistic behavior.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:15
riparian
2:15
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: WikiLeaks has evolved. Hasn't become "my kind of news organization" but they have evolved.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:15
Jonathan Seitz
2:15
AlejoManrique:
[Lecture]
#WikiLeaks
"If
#JulianAssange
is a journalist, he is not the kind of journalist I am," NYT's Bill Keller
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:15
AlejoManrique
2:15
jonathanstray:
Keller: I try to be expansive in who is a journalist. But if Assange is a journo, he's not the sort of journalist I want to be.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:15
jonathanstray
2:15
kellykwlam:
RT
@BBCPhilippaT
: RT@NiemanReports: NYT's Bill Keller: We've done the main stories we set out to do. 3-4 stories in the works.
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:15
kellykwlam
2:16
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: Legality aside, [an espionage act prosecution] would send up a warning flag for me
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
Jonathan Seitz
2:16
tiradefaction:
RT
@hillaryrosner
: Rob Rose: Countries either have a watchdog media or a nation-building media.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
tiradefaction
2:16
jonathanstray:
Keller: having said that, Wikileaks has evolved to become more responsible.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
jonathanstray
2:16
BBCPhilippaT:
Keller on Assange. "He's not the kind of journalist I am." But an espionage case wd "send up alarm signals to me".
#wikileaks
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
BBCPhilippaT
2:16
Jonathan Seitz:
KellerL I find the espionage act a scary thing in the wrong hands
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
Jonathan Seitz
2:16
lalorek:
Keller doesn't think Julian Assange is a kindred spirit "If he's a journalist, he is not the kind that I am," Keller says.
#NiemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
lalorek
2:16
acavelier:
It's clear that relations between the NY Times and wikileaks are not that great anymore
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
acavelier
2:16
acavelier:
Keller not sure if Wikileaks will offer the Times documents again
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
acavelier
2:16
Rabail26:
Bill Keller exec ed NYT: 'I dont regard Julian Assange as a kindred spirit.'
#Niemanleaks
#Wikileaks
#Assange
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
Rabail26
2:16
jonathanstray:
Keller: as an editor, I find the espionage act a scary thing in the wrong hands. It's an abusable law.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:16
jonathanstray
2:17
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: CAn you put a number to the amount of material that you held up because of State Department? If you didn't run, did European orgs go with your judgement?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:17
Jonathan Seitz
2:17
BBCPhilippaT:
RT
@jonathanstray
: Keller: I try to be expansive in who is a journalist. But if Assange is a journo, he's not the sort of journalist I w ...
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:17
BBCPhilippaT
2:17
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: Europeans generally went with NYT redactions. El Pais published docs that weren't interesting to NYT
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:17
Jonathan Seitz
2:17
DavidLeBoeuf:
Papers posted documents that were related closest to their audience, such as El Pais' catering more towards Latin America
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:17
DavidLeBoeuf
2:18
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: Doesn't have number, but the NYT did a lot of redacting on it's own.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:18
Jonathan Seitz
2:18
AlejoManrique:
[Lecture]
#WikiLeaks
"El Pais posted documents that we don't," NYT's Bill Keller
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:18
AlejoManrique
2:18
Jonathan Seitz:
Q: How would process change if NYT was only one with docs? If WSJ and CNN had them?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:18
Jonathan Seitz
2:18
kellykwlam:
RT
@jonathanstray
: Keller: as an editor, I find the espionage act a scary thing in the wrong hands. It's an abusable law.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:18
kellykwlam
2:18
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: On our own would have been easier. Getting journos to coorperate is like herding cats
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:18
Jonathan Seitz
2:19
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: previously, orgs worked together to count votes in Florida in 2000.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:19
Jonathan Seitz
2:19
DavidLeBoeuf:
"Getting journalists to cooperate is like herding cats" says Keller of the
@nytimes
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:19
DavidLeBoeuf
2:19
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: if it had been WaPo with the cable, we wouldn't have been able to have casual conversations about the contents.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:19
Jonathan Seitz
2:19
criha:
RT
@NiemanLab
: From
#Niemanleaks
, video of AP's Kathleen Carroll talking about technology making secrets easy to hide and uncover http:/ ...
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:19
criha
2:20
jonathanstray:
Q: what if NYT had been only recipient of leaks? A: we would have tended to hoard certain information to ourselves
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:20
jonathanstray
2:20
clinthendler:
RT
@jonathanstray
: Keller: as an editor, I find the espionage act a scary thing in the wrong hands. It's an abusable law.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:20
clinthendler
2:20
DavidLeBoeuf:
News organizations getting WikiLeaks were more open with each other because not direct domestic competitors, says Keller
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:20
DavidLeBoeuf
2:20
Jonathan Seitz:
Last Question: What policy does the NYT have when a freelancer/staffer gets injured? is it different for fixers/drivers?
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:20
Jonathan Seitz
2:20
Jonathan Seitz:
Keller: Our policy is that if someone's working for us, we'll take care of them.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:20
Jonathan Seitz
2:20
kellykwlam:
Our policy is that if someone is doing work for us, and they get hurt, we are responsible
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:20
kellykwlam
2:21
Jonathan Seitz:
In the case of Joao Silva, NYT is paying his expenses beyond indurance, and will be put on staff.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:21
Jonathan Seitz
2:21
AlejoManrique:
[Lecture]
#WikiLeaks
"Our policy is if a journalist works for us and is hurt, we are responsible:" NYT's Bill Keller
#niemanLeaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:21
AlejoManrique
2:21
ianjamesap:
RT
@NiemanLab
: From
#Niemanleaks
, video of AP's Kathleen Carroll talking about technology making secrets easy to hide and uncover http:/ ...
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:21
ianjamesap
2:22
Jonathan Seitz:
Our policy is we try to do our best ... because if you want the best people to work for you in dangerous places, it's important for you to stand behind them"
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:22
Jonathan Seitz
2:22
Jonathan Seitz:
And with that, Keller's keynote ends.
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:22
Jonathan Seitz
2:22
BBCPhilippaT:
@wantonymous
@mikerass
@davidleboeuf
@hillary
rosner
@anneIHTFP
@nextbaron_
thanks for your follows, more
#niemanleaks
to come today!
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:22
BBCPhilippaT
2:22
BrotherSka:
RT
@hillaryrosner
: Rob Rose: Countries either have a watchdog media or a nation-building media.
#niemanleaks
[via Twitter]
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:22
BrotherSka
2:23
Jonathan Seitz:
We'll be back with the last panel of the day at 2:35. Last liveblog will be at:
http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/Microsites/SecrecyAndJournalismInTheNewMediaAge/MultimediaCoverage/PANELIII.aspx
Thursday December 16, 2010
2:23
Jonathan Seitz
2:23